Tuesday, November 2, 2010

Michael Eric Dyson's "How Real Is This?"

Lyndia Louissaint and Saar Shemesh


The issue of AUTHENTICITY:

“The metaphysical root of hip hop is connected to the ghetto whether or not many of its artists grew up there. It’s almost irrelevant to me whether or not you grew up there. It’s more important to know if you’re able to scrutinize the possibilities, the positions, the moods, the dispositions, the interesting, the sentiments, and the morality that the environment breeds. If you’re able to tap into those things and understand what they might mean – if you’re able to imagine in your art the story and myth that should be told – that’s just as fine as being there.” (Dyson, 11)


The original question we must try to answer is where did hip hop originate? In the above quotation, Dyson remarks on the feeling of the ghetto that hip hop artists attempt to embody. The ghetto was and is the birthplace of hip hop, the nurturing streets that birthed a music culture like none other before it. We must first consider earlier forms of expression through music of the African-American communities; jazz and bebop. Jazz emerged in the beginning of the 20th century, establishing itself as the primary and popular expression of the black community in America. Jazz satisfied the need of it’s communities to rebel against the music at the time, which didn’t fit the lifestyle or struggle of jazz musicians. Soon after, the white community adopted jazz as their own music and again, black communities needed another outlet for their expression; bebop. Bebop was the answer, it gave artists a new rebellion and a form of self-expression that jazz could no longer give them. Speed up to modern day, and we’re met with the same situation, with hip hop as a the rebellion to pop and rock n’ roll. So what now? Is hip hop as a rebellion a common theme in the music culture of black-Americans, or is this something new, separate from it’s previous generation?


In the 2002 film, 8 Mile starring rapper Eminem (Marshall Mathers) as an aspiring white rapper growing up and trying to make it in the predominantly black, Detroit underground hip hop scene. This movie exemplifies the concept of authenticity and who’s allowed to say what about a struggle that is so specific to one community – the black ghetto. Eminem is a white male trying to make it music culture that was taught to rebel against everything that (on the surface) he is. Throughout the movie, the audience watches as he works harder than he has to, to mark his territory in the field. Below is the IMDb trailer for 8 Mile:

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi615776537/



The concept of PRISON AS A HOME:

“Young black men have embraced – and to an extent transformed –certain elements of the prison-industrial complex: the sagging pants, the baggy shirts, the laceless shoes, and the like. Of course, part of the fascination with prison is the reflection of the sad existential truths of a young black male life; as a philosopher Immanuel Kant might say, a necessity is turned into a virtue…to believe that your manhood is best tested and developed in prison is nothing short of bizarre and tragic. And hip hop has both challenged this and reinforced it at the same time.” (Dyson, 14-15)


Common in the lyrics, the attitude and the swagger of hip hop is the physical and mental reality of prison. Prison is something artists both strive for and resent. On page 17, Dyson comments on prison as a home as “a place of discipline and rest, as well as, ironically enough, nurture and hospitality.” The idea that prison, a place so terrible that no one should aspire to be in, could be the ultimate for members of our society is a concept hard to grasp. Where does this stem from; the idea that prison is your ultimate? Earlier, Dyson explains that young black men are conditioned from a young age that they will inevitably end up in prison so if they aren’t there already by society’s means, they will end up there and might sit there for a while. So now we’re met with a society that pretty much forces its disciplinary institutions on a specific community and are being profiled for it. How does this work though? Domicide, the “murder[ing] of [a] sense of identification, their sense of home-fulness and dwelling with their brothers” (17) runs rampant in the prison-industrial complex. This beaten identification wears on the mind, body and soul of its subject(s). When society constant batters one’s sense of identity, it leads to the need to self-express; precisely what role hip hop plays for members in prison.


A great example of this is when Martin Luther King Jr. was arrested and imprisoned during the 1960s for being a civil-rights activist. Although he’s not a hip hop artist, he used prison as a mental and physical birthplace for what he needed to express, which was his relentless struggle for civil rights. Below is his speech, Letter from Birmingham Jail, 1963: http://www.mlkonline.net/jail.html


Prison as a home is a concept that exists for all hip hop artists, even if they’ve never spent time. Ironic again, that something so terrible can be something that you embrace, even if you aren’t on you way there. Hip hop artist constantly reference prison and it remains to be a focal point for hip hop musicians. Take Tupac Shakur, still one of the best, if not the best hip hop artist that this world has seen and will ever see. Idealized, Tupac spent multiple times in prison and therefore epitomizes the idea that prison can make or break you as young black male and as an artist. Below are both lyrics and a video of Tupac’s song “Trapped.” http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2pac/trapped.html (lyrics) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEmTaWSPTk (video)



And what about WOMEN AND HIP HOP?:

“There isn’t much room for independent women in rap music and hip hop culture…the extension of the crotch politics of black machismo; the subordination of female desire to male desire; the re-colonizing of the black female body by the imperialistic gaze of the black male…This stuff didn’t start with hip hop; the reality is that patriarchy and sexism and misogyny are tried-and-true American traditions from which hip hop derives its understanding of how men and women should behave, and what roles they should play.” (Dyson, 21-22)


Black women, ironically enough, faced a steeper slope in authenticating hip hop expression than their male counterparts. Whereas young black males were facing the subjugation of society, young black female artists were facing the oppression of black males, and consequently also of society. They had to fight through two layers of domination, making it doubly harder for them to express themselves and be seen as legitimate artists.


Essentially, we are met with two different outcroppings of young black female artists, both of which fight the tyranny of the black male and of society that tries to keep them down.

The first group is inclusive of artists like Lil’ Kim and Foxy Brown, whose expression was based mostly on the seduction of the black male and thus, the domination of their dominators. Their music is categorized by explicitly vulgar sexual lyrics that exemplify the control over their expression.

The second group is more the likes of artists such as Lauren Hill, Eve and Missy Elliot, who conversely express the “sense of female identity that is independent of black masculinity,” (23). Their lyrics seek to empower the woman and her sense of strength rather than to deal with the domination of a patriarchal society. Below is a link to the lyrics of Lauren Hill’s song “(Doo Wop) That Thing”: http://www.lyrics007.com/Lauryn%20Hill%20Lyrics/Doo%20Wop%20%28That%20Thing%29%20Lyrics.html



OVERALL QUESTIONS:

  1. How is hip hop considered a legitimate form of art (meaning that involves inspiration, imagination and creativity)?
  2. Who has the power to authenticate hip hop?
  3. What does home mean to you? Do you think that the concept of home can be universal and why?
  4. Immanuel Kant once said that necessity is a virtue. Why or why not do you agree with this statement?
  5. How does "domicide" affect an individual?
  6. How can society's perception of a person or of members of a community affect an individual or a community? Like the chicken or the egg, does the perception, or the individual of question come first?
  7. Similar to how Madonna has reinvented herself, can an artist rap about people, places, concepts and ideas that they have not met, been in or been formerly introduced to (think, the ghetto)?
  8. Do you feel that women face a different oppression than their male counterparts? Is the tyranny they face more, less, or equally oppressive than the subjugation black males face from society?
  9. Which group (Lil Kim/Foxy Brown v.s Lauren Hill/Eve/Missy Elliot) do you feel does a better job to empower the young black female and why?

19 comments:

  1. After this reading I sat for a while before writing anything and just thought about how I really felt about hip hop. Hip Hop has been historically looked at as a representation of black culture and authentic rhythms but I appreciate what it has been but hate what is has become. Growing up I was not allowed to listen to Hip Hop in my parent’s house because it was disrespectful to blacks and women. This left and arousing curiosity in me to see what it was all about and after my listening and realizing that my parents were right and Hip Hop was the most intolerable music this earth has to offer, I decided that it wasn’t for me. I made this choice not because of the rhythms and cultural sounds but the ignorance spoken in the words. Hip Hop could be a beautiful sound if it hadn’t become a shameful banter about the lows in a black society.

    Which group (Lil Kim/Foxy Brown vs. Lauren Hill/Eve/Missy Elliot) do you feel does a better job to empower the young black female and why?

    I think these groupings are all wrong, Lauren Hill should not be associated with Eve and Missy Elliot and they belong more with Kim and Foxy Brown because of their music content. Lauren Hill should be grouped with someone like Erykah Badu. The music of the previous group to me has no respect for women and their black culture and should never be iconic figures to young black girls or even role models. By no means am I saying these women are bad but the content of their songs and lyrics should not be praised as it shows women as nothing but sex objects and not someone that should be respected. When I hear jazz I feel something inside that makes me want to snap my finger and sing along to the beat unlike Hip Hop, where I want to change the channel. I to this say refuse to let anyone in my house watch B.E.T. because I am not proud of what it represents. Jazz is what Hip Hop was meant to be, a beautiful expression of soul a rhythm and I believe it has lost its way. Lauren Hill and Erykah Badu would be my choice and should be the only choice.

    Hip Hop is considered a form of art, why? Only god can tell. It is very creative and imaginative but with what it has now become, should by no means be inspirational to anyone. As a success story, showing how to overcome the ups and downs in life maybe but not as a guide to the young black youth who live and die by these lyrics and lifestyles preached by these rappers, living in Long Island and New Jersey but talking about hustling in the streets on Brooklyn. I know for a fact everyone will not agree with how I feel about this music but before you say I’m wrong, ask yourselves, do I want any rapper being a role model to my kids? If you can answer that question honestly and stand by your conviction that you want DMX being your teenage son’s role model, I applaud you and I will tell you to save as much as you can to post bail for your son when he gets locked up in jail.

    Hip Hop should be an expression of soul but not everyone should be allowed to express if they are influencing others to do wrong.

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  2. I know absolutely nothing about hip hop ... I know the names of some of the players simply because of their fame but I have no idea what any of them are about. I wrote something regarding the authentication of music(s) but dropped it from the post as I was having trouble articulating it ... maybe it will come up in class if anyone cares.

    I also can't really comment on the realities/non-realities/perceived-realities of hip hop artists or even black people for that matter—I'm not black, so all I can really do is take people at their word and assume they know what they are talking about.

    That said ... after I finished the article I kept getting the feeling that Dyson had painted a bleak picture of black society and, that because of the “place” black people hold in society is somehow, at least partially, the actions of some Other. I really am not equipped to challenge that however, I never really got a sense that Dyson ever entered any possibility of the Individual either. I felt like the socially constructed reality Dyson painted of the black cultural reality was created and perpetuated by an Other. My problem with that is that people within that reality actually have to buy into the contents of said constructed reality in order to make it true and strong. If enough people externalize the reality's contents, they have come to take for granted, these realities weaken and change occurs. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X are prime examples of individuals that didn't buy into these realities and thus instigated change. People have choices . Again I realize I cannot fully understand what it is like to live in the ghetto but, I refuse to accept the claim that the people living there haven't any choice in the contents of their reality or how they survive in it. For example, if a content within your reality consists of a notion that you WILL one day end up in prison the only person truly able to change that reality is the individual. Hence the Individual needs to look at that perceived reality and question its legitimacy. No one outside of that reality makes the actual choices that are made when someone inside that reality commits an act that sends that someone to prison.

    I am willing to accept the notion that some responsibility for the creation of these socially constructed realities lies with an Other, but the Individual also has to take some responsibility as well.

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  3. I personally don’t know much about Hip Hop or how it was originated. Usually I would just listen a song without understanding the lyrics or meaning towards it. Not that I don’t want to understand the lyrics or meaning but it is quite difficult to digest some of the wordings. I can never remember the lyrics to a hip hop song, no matter how much times its being repeated.

    Dyson commented “… the magic of artists: they can inhabit spaces and ideas and worldviews they have never actually touched or tasted. The purpose of an artist is not necessarily to live the experience to which he or she refers…”(10), I agree with his perspective because it is logical. An artist doesn’t necessary have to live in a certain place or go through a particular experience in order to compose their art. It might be more touching and realistic if the artist were writing from their own experience. But it doesn’t mean amazing work cant be produce from imaginations.

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  4. Being someone who has enjoyed hip hop and existed in the black culture all my life, reading this article I found myself to be in agreement with most of Dyson’s claims.
    Firstly, Dyson’s divisions in rap and the black culture were incredibly well put; there is a huge divide between underground and commercial rap. Underground rappers such as Styles P pride themselves on being “real”, rapping about the hood struggles and hustles, as opposed to commercial rappers such as Drake who tend to rap about what underground rappers see as meaningless, glitz and glamour, including things such as sex, riches, and being “the best”. This is a highly debated topic of our times
    “I think because they [rappers] were doubted and dismissed, hip hoppers were heavily invested in specifying what’s real and what’s not” (p.6)
    Also in complete agreement with the above statement made by Dyson, I firmly believe that being a fan of commercial “rappers” is completely contradictory of rap’s origins--- the struggle of proving what is REAL and what is NOT REAL. Hip Hop did not originate in the UNREAL/UNTOUCHABLE glitz and glamour commercial rap speaks about, hip hop originated in the streets with the people, as an artistic outlet for a discriminated peoples’ to have their voices, hardships and triumphs heard--- sharing their unique struggle with willing listeners.
    Below is an excerpt from a song by one of my favorite rappers of all time, Big L. To me, he represents the “REAL” origin of rap music, whether it’s publically approvable or not, rap music was made to portray the struggle of the young black man in America.
    “Everything is fu*ked up.
    To get cash I gotta beg.
    Cuz everytime I reach in my pocket all I feel is my damn leg.
    It’s about time that I feel cash.
    Gotta get it right now, gotta get it real fast.
    Cuz all I got left is 2 mack tens
    A army jacket, a ski mask, a hoodie, and some black tims.
    I’m about to get extra ill.
    So I went to my crib, got booted up and got dressed to kill.
    The first place that I hit was the corner store.
    I pulled out and told everybody to get on the floor.
    I took the cash then I jetted.
    One kid tried to set it, I bet he regret it because he got wetted.
    Robberies I did well.
    When you look in the dictionary under villain you'll see a photo of Big L.
    Fu*k a job, punks is gettin robbed and starved.
    Cuz times is hard on the boulevard.”( Big L. “Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous”1995)

    The Original Meaning of Hip Hop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL9l5CojBNQ&feature=related

    Yes, time has passed since 1995 and with passing time comes change, but if one is looking for the real origin of hip hop, it definitely began in the streets as a SHARPLY BLUNT depiction of the lifelong struggle of African Americans. I believe many things have changed the general view of the Hip Hop world, but the most prominent change is OUR new generation with new morals and an embracing perspective of the African American culture. Our vast generational acceptance of this art form has poured millions, probably billions of dollars into Hip Hop and commercialized it into what a majority of rap is today, but the original art form of rapping, will NEVER be lost or forgotten.

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  6. I can’t imagine living in the ghetto but I do know that there are several people who say that you always have a choice to do what is right and be a law abiding citizen but not all people are able to. People who live in the ghetto have economic problems and don’t have a proper education to get out of the ghetto. They can’t imagine a reality where they will be able to get out of the ghetto by getting a career because they see it as impossible because of their situation. Instead the only way to survive and move along is to become a criminal and pull a few robberies here and there. Life then turns even harder when you get involved in a gang and have to physically assault someone or even kill them.

    According to Dyson if the black man goes to jail they see it more as a home because they get things like “three meals a day and a place to lay their heads” which they didn’t in the outside world. Hip Hop is seen as a way to express yourself and talk about your troubles which many could relate to. Hip Hop is then a way to escape poverty and if your able to get your songs to be accepted you could make it to fame. Now if we talk about if Hip Hop is for everyone I would completely disagree because today it talks only about sex, drugs, alcohol and violence. One way to know that Hip Hop isn’t for everyone is because as far as I know it’s never played on television for example on the news just when the commercial is over because some of it also contains inappropriate language.

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  7. I do not know much about hip-hop and “black culture”. From what I know, I would say that hip-hop should be considered a form of art, and if it was not it, probably, would not be so popular today among young people and we would not be reading articles on that topic. Even though hip-hop did originate in Afro-American ghetto, in my opinion, as any other form of art, it can be performed by any other person, independently of his race and origin, so I agree with Dyson that “…the purpose of an artist is not necessarily to live the experience to which he or she refers” but to be able to describe that experience ( even someone else’s experience) the way that will make other people listen/look at the work of art and feel as if they experienced the same, to feel compassionate. Unfortunately, as the text mentions the “commercial rap”, that is different from the “authentic underground hip-hop” is more popular today, and it creates a certain stereotypes about Afro-American people and their culture.

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  8. Hip hop used to be a big part of what I listened to but more and more it's been hard for me to find hip hop musicians that I find genuine and authentic. Which I think is what I took from this article. I feel that hip hop has become as main stream as pop music which makes me upset and that music should be an outlet for what's emotionally raw and true not what producers think will sell to the most people possible. To achieve authenticity, I feel it's easier to relate and put into music things that you know, like where you grew up and what happens in your own life. I feel that translates creatively into music.I like that. But there have been some musicians, like Jay Z, that I like even though they sing about things they never experienced first hand. He makes up for it with his integrity and ability to transcend his own lyrical content. There are so many hands that music passes though before it reaches our ears it's hard to think of anything holding it's natural pure form. I think the nature of the music business has stripped away so much authenticity from hip hop that it has lost it's original intent of rebellion against other forms of music leaving little creativity and just basic shock values: violence, sex, and drugs. There are formula bands and rappers just like there have been formula pop bands. For this, it doesn't matter at all where someone is from. They just give them lyrics talking about the typical formula and it works. I think, the uniform of hip hop that has been created directly from prison outfits is similar to other fashion that has come out of a musical genre. Punk rock took leather jackets and combat boots as the uniform. This outfit came from coal miners in England. Most punk rockers didn't know where it originated but the style showed that they were part of a scene similar to boys wearing baggy pants to show that they listen to hip hop. The fact that it comes from prison could work a number of ways, shock value, rebellion or identification with being in prison.

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  9. I like hip hop, I listen to it all the time but after reading this I started to think about the artist I listen to the most. I began to put them into categories, the real rapper and the commercial rappers. The real rappers were one ones that came from the streets, went through hard times and troubles and rapped about. The commercial rappers were the ones that rapped about money, girls, luxury stuff. After I put the artist into these categories, I noticed that at one point the real rappers moved into the commercial rappers category. That showed me that hip hop has changed and it’s not what it was originally made to be. If you look back on 2 Pac “Dear Mama” and then at Soulja Boy “Pretty Boy Swag” you see the difference in the lyrics. It went from meaning to no meaning, and the part with meaning I agreed with it. Even though some rappers are talking about how they robbed this store or fought this person, I don’t think they are saying it so you can go do it. I think they are saying to show they were down once and came up. Basically trying to show a positive message, that if they did you can too. That’s the way I saw it but I feel so people don’t view it like that.

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  10. I personally don’t listen to a lot of hip hop, but the few hip hop artists that I do listen to aren’t mainstream and can either be considered “underground” or from an older generation. Hip hop is a legitimate form of expression, and allows the artist to express deep emotions and thoughts from their struggle through minority subjugation and from their experience from living in places like ghettos growing up. Overall, it is a form of expression that is illustrated best through hip hop, and the stronger the emotions and struggle of the artists, it is usually perceived to make a better hip hop. Personally, that is why I feel people will always regard the artists during 2pac’s time, where the lyrics were deep and there was a strong influence of the ghetto and their struggles to success, as the best hip hop artists to have ever lived. The hip hop you hear in most of today’s mainstream music are all about discussing the glamour and fame of the industry and success, and ignore the constant struggle, heartache, and character transformations the artist had to make to get there. Thus, I feel that most of the point of hip hop’s form of expression in having an outlet for tough situations in life has been twisted to just using a style of music to propagate the “wrong” types of values. It doesn’t necessarily matter whether you actually grew up in a ghetto or not, but the authenticity of hip hop I feel stays in the extrapolation of emotion and deep-rooted struggle. In the end, I don’t feel anyone has the complete authority to determine whether hip hop is authentic or not, but Dyson describes (even though at time he seems to share my belief) on page 8 that “A lot of older folk-and some younger ones too-look at hip hop and conclude that young artists are simply newfangled jingaloes who are repackaging stereotypical representations of black culture.” And I seem to fall in the category of the older generation. Though different generations have varying ideas of what hip hop must be in order to be authentic, the authority does not rest within a single individual or generation.
    The other topic that peaked my interest was the subjugation of black women, under the dominators of men and the domination placed against them for their race. Women have it doubly hard, let alone in the hip hop industry, to overcome their dominance and express themselves as an independent type of person. In hip hop, the very few women hip hop artists seem to be split between showing their dominant over their dominators, and by expressing themselves individually as people who are performing hip hop. Among these two groups, I feel that the group that purports the black female as a separate entity amongst the men and races does a better job to empower the female. Hip hop, and its expression of true emotions and style, has its highest effects when the emotions behind it are truer and stronger. The lyrics associated with these individuals do what most subjugated people throughout history do--take black people during the civil war and post civil war era--instead of outright attacking their subjugators (whites), they seemed more to establish themselves as a separate entity with thoughts, emotions, and reason. They didn’t seem to try to dominate their white subjugators, and I feel this was the best course of action towards working towards total equality, which we are still working towards today.

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  11. This piece poses the question: Who has the right to judge and determine authenticity within hip-hop? I feel that true expression, regardless of the source or message, is a form of art. So whether we agree or disagree with the point, the presence of a purpose legitimizes hip-hop as a musical art form. An artist does not have to experience and feel the moment to express it. To give legitimacy to only rappers that have come from the depths of the ghetto is to unrightfully take away credit from those with an equal level of artistry.
    The idea of the ghetto is an integral part of hip-hop music.The ghetto has effectively been romanticized, but rather it must be viewed as an expression from those who suffer and long to exit from its limitations. It is the failure of society to recognize the humanity that comes from those who live in ghettos and are shut out. There is a metaphorical and literal imprisonment in African society. There is an expectation to be on the way to prison, way from prison or in prison. There then comes this level of comfort in the familiarity that comes with prison, it becomes more homely than the real world. These truths must be expressed and this cycle broken.
    The great divides between underground vs. commercial, bourgeois vs. poor and old vs. young create so many schisms within the black community. Without a single voice, elements of the culture are imposed upon, rather than clarified and expressed.

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  12. I don't classify what kind of music I listen to, I just listen. If it happens to be hip hop, then I do listen to hip hop, I simply don't know.

    After reading the article I found myself most intrigued by the idea of Prison being a home. To the black people of the slums Prison is unavoidable, everyone at some point or another goes to prison. They can go to prison in reality or vicariously but regardless they have had the prison experience. Because of this I do in fact believe that someone who is close enough to the situation can actually write about (or sing about) the situation. They know enough from the people around them to have true feelings about Prison and can therefore clearly articulate and present what is actually true.

    I do believe that prison can be considered their home. Home is a place you feel the epitome of comfort. If there is no other place where you feel comfortable aside from prison than prison is in fact your home. Aside from it being the only place you feel comfortable, Prison is the place of your family, your friends and your contemporaries. It is almost as if the common alma mater (sorry if its spelled wrong)amongst all black people from the ghetto. It is the footsteps they want to follow in and therefore they do in one sense or another. Either they are actually there or they are there vicariously.

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  13. Lyndia & Saar, thanks for the thoughtful post. Sorry that I'm commenting so late, again, but I had a late flight last night.

    Let's start with Dyson's notion that Hip-Hop -- mainstream, underground, old school, hardcore, et al alike -- is worth attention and deserving of a critical eye free from any notion of shame and his words, "...all of these debates -- underground versus commercial, bourgeois versus poor, [et al] -- are...about what's best seen as black, ...the most authentic form of black identity" (4). To pick at the specifics of authenticity through a discussion on wholesale identity would be to miss out Dyson's line of thought.

    The trouble with authenticity -- like discussions on morality, Truth, etc. -- is that it is difficult to pin concrete attributes to something that can be so easily processed through the subjective lens of the individual. Dyson, though, makes it easier by giving us a concrete subject to work with and a few particular ideas that can be used to outline a discussion.

    Is something made authentic by its derivation or reflection from/of a cultural reality?
    Does authenticity need to be grounded in a particular type of order or "intellectual organizing principal of expression" (12)?

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  14. I don't listen to much Hip hop music, I used to just think its another music Genre. But after reading this article, the author goes in depth describing where this genre came from. Where did it originarated and by who and made some clear connections. Connections that I'm still thinking about and, I am just choked. Black people created hip hop, their lyrics are about their experiences, either experiences they had or watched. Hip hop has alson been so powerful, because people mostly the youth I would say are inspired by the words of these rappers. Hip hop has been jusged by the elders, but it has not been anough to make rappers stop doing what they do. From reading the article, I found that hip hop has been classified as part of the ghetto and the middle class which is kind of racist. Everyone listens to hip hop even the highest social class listen to it. Something else that was said in this article was that rappers may act ghetto to pay respect to their culture, is like they're saying that minorities are suppose to act ghetto and I believe this is wrong. One part of the article that I liked was, what was said about these artists "they see and they say.they don't have to live it, but they can make you believe they've lived it". The author tried to compare this to politicians they do the same thing in a way. Few people don't want to acknoledge the genious of black children, to prove this I know that society ecpect black males to either be in jail or dead by the age they are 25 years old. Many are expected to be in jail, and they would stay there as the place to survive. This is not something I like to think about but its true, I don't understand how we are just willing to sit back and watch our people go to prison and not do anything to stop it.

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  15. Let me just start by saying Hip Hop is more than just music but its the words of our generation and youth. This topic is one of the best so far.Of course people who don't listen to hip hop can confuse it to be degrading to African Americans but if you don't understand half o f the lyrics that are spoken how can you really judge. Hip hop to me is and forever will be a legitimate art because it represent passion,culture,and hope.Hi p hop also known as rap is not only about the "ghetto mans struggle" or being poor, sham on any one who thinks thats what makes a hip hop artist.Kanye West for example is a good rapper and he did not grow in a ghetto lifestyle. People confuse his realistic rhymes to be something bad i personally don't.
    I hate they way our society put down Hip hop.Take the idea of women in hip hop i feel like its a fight to prove themselves because hat how they gain respect just like any rapper.In a earlier post by one of our classmates he states Lauryn Hill should be in a different genre than Eve and i thought this is really funny,have you ever listen to Love is blind by EVE? There really not that different they stand for the same things.
    I feel like the men in hip hop degrade women because we allow ourselves to be degraded like that .Lil kim for one was not always raw and explicit nasty rapper. When B.I.G met her he turn her into the rapper she is because it was said she will sell more.Hip hop is not the only genre that use sex to sell.

    Yes i feel like some women in Hip hop can be better roll models but lets give credit to those that do.Nikki the new female rapper of our generation can come across a bad influence but i have heard her also rap about girls having respect for themselves and being confidante.
    I personally feel like the biggest thing about hip hop is society's perception. They have so many cast on what Ghetto is and what rappers are suppose to be like and thats why rappers change from being real artist to be being perceptional rappers .

    Im sure you could tell i love hip hop so my opinion maybe a little bias but on that note KEEP HIP HOP ALIVE :-)

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  16. I feel for something to be authentic it should be from the people that either originated if not are from the place they talk about. I feel rap and hip hop isn't the same on how it used to be. Their lyrics used to have meaning and insight now instead it talks about money and fully contains curse words. The real hip hop is no longer what it used to be. Yea music can change but not a whole genre. Madonna changed her views on herself plenty of times but since shes a solo artist she Just made a name for herself. With each of her different outfits she just touched more people. But in the case of hip hop u cant change a whole genre. artists may have one hit wonders, or make songs that no one hears. The point is genres always change depending on what happens to the artists or what point of time were in and we just have to make the decision if we want to listen to it or not

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  17. I am not a big fan of hip hop music, I think it is more of an acquired taste.I feel hip hop is a form of art, where the artists reflect on the hardships that they have faced on the streets. It is in a way good thing to channel their experience through some form of music. Now a days as hip hop has become popular musicians are creating hip hop but they have no experience in the hard street lifestyle, merely derive their inspiration from others.

    I think authenticity is something you create whether it be copied and altered or derived from an inspiration. Artist, musicians etc. always gets their ideas from somewhere or the other it is how they use and make it their own is authenticity.

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  18. The first thing was brought to my attention was the comparison between commercial Hip Hop and underground Hip Hop. I like the fact that Michelle mentioned Big L because he is my favorite rapper as well and never got the spotlight and attention he deserved. Most people like commercial Hip Hop like "Lil Wayne" and his clone "Drake." The thing to remember here is that underground Hip Hop is real. Commercial Hip Hop is meant to entertain and truthfully it makes the most money especially in the 21st century.

    In the 90s, good rappers like Biggie and Tupac wrote real music and made a lot of money off of it. Nowadays Rappers have to resort to commercial Hip Hop is order to make a living and get rich. Look at this quote from Jay z.

    "The music business hate me
    Cause the industry ain't make me
    Hustlers and boosters embrace me
    And the music i be makin
    I dumb down for my audience
    And double my dollars
    They criticize me for it
    Yet they all yell "Holla"
    If skills sold
    Truth be told
    I'd probably be
    Lyricly
    Talib Kweli
    Truthfully
    I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
    (But i did five Mil)
    I ain't been rhymin like Common Sense"

    He is essentially saying he wants to rap and express his views but does otherwise sometimes because it makes him the most money. Talib and Common are two rappers well known for making "real Hip Hop" and not making "commercial Hip hop." I find that interesting and I understand where he is coming from.

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  19. Hip hop is more than music it’s a lifestyle or culture. I am a big hip hop fan and have watched it change over the ways. Hip hop like every other thing has its positives and negatives but it’s the representation of the Ghetto. The artist sings about the lifestyle and struggles of the people in the ghetto.

    There has been much controversy surrounding the AUTHENTICITY of hip hop and who is consider to be authentic. Many people however say it’s the responsibility of the “streets” to be the judge. Hip hop was created in the ghetto therefore let the people of the ghetto be the judge.

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